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*******Civil War Austrian Lorenz, Cutdown to Carbine size, a classic Confederate modification******* : Auction-jsanderson-705

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Inventory Number 3579156584
Seller jeffanderson (35)
Seller's Location Grove City, OH
Home Page AG
Shipping Weight 12 lbs
Packing and Materials $48.00
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Auction ends December 11, 2018 7:45 PM MST
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Auction Description

This is a Civil War Imported Lorenz dated 1860 cut down to carbine length, a classic Confederate modification

This originally was an Austrian Lorenz three band rifle with barrel length of 37.5 inches, but now is a short barrel (21 inch) carbine. The lock shows, behind the hammer, the double headed Austrian eagle symbol, and in front the “860” date marking showing this was made in 1860 (the Austrians always omitted the first digit on the date, so 1860 was stamped 860.)

The stock still has the cheekpiece. The rear sight, now missing, was very tall, and it would have gotten in the way of easy handling, especially on horseback. It has been removed, but the ridges of the dovetail have a rear sight notch filed into them. I have seen this same rear sight on other cut down Lorenz rifles. There is a copper blade front sight soldered to the barrel.

On the right side of the buttstock, there are two marks that suggest confederate use. The first is a single letter, a faint oval stamped in the wood, which is the same size and shape as the letter G sometimes seen on these Lorenz rifles, which many collectors believe is the mark for GEORGIA purchased Lorenz rifle; this mark is hard to see, the type about which collectors say “you have to know it is there before you can see it.” This also has some script writing on that same side of the stock. I can read the capital J but not the rest, but maybe you can decipher this and link this arm to some particular soldier. I can’t get a good photo of these marks, but they are present. This has an old museum number written on the trigger guard in black ink on a squib of white, so we know this was in an old collection or museum.

The lock works in both half cock and full cock. The barrel has old rust in it– if you clean out the gunk, perhaps the rifling is still there.

These Lorenz rifles were first class arms, and hundreds of thousands of them were imported by both North and South. The Southern armorers cut down damaged long arms for use by troops short of weapons. The Northern armies, after the first few months of the War, had no use for cut-down muzzleloaders, but these were used by confederate cavalry up to the end of the War.

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Shipping costs will be different depending on where I am shipping to. That means that the shipping costs listed in my auctions are an estimate based on averages, but once you have won the auction, I will send you the actual cost of shipping.

All items that I sell will have a 3-day inspection with full sales price refund minus all shipping charges when returned in same condition as shipped. ALL items are sold in USED AS-IS condition and as "Collector Curios and Antiques" with NO guarantees, warranties, or liabilities implied or given for shooting or any other use. ANY inferences or comments made by me as to shooting condition is for informational description purposes ONLY and is NOT meant or intended to be a guarantee or inference of the item's safety for firing!!


Payment MUST be in either a bank Cashiers Check or Money Order ONLY. Payment must be received within ten-days of any finalized deal or ended auction.


I will ship outside of the US, but it is not possible to fully insure items once they are outside of the U.S. postal system...but if the buyer accepts this responsibility of possible damage or loss, and if he checks his Customs laws and is legal to import this particular antique weapon, then I MAY ship outside the USA, depending on the country involved. I know the federal laws about shipping antiques, and will follow them always...but you must make sure that it is legal for you where you live to receive and possess the item you want to buy. Please e-mail for any unclear terms.


You can email me directly at jsanderson@columbus.rr.com